Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

@SkyeNet Alright, so I think I alreayd have a Wonderland. One night I just imagined a valley with nice wind and the Moon between two peaks

Piano your guide is amazing

and later I made my developing tulpa a house, and I kind of placed it next to that valley, though I'm not sure exactly where it is in relation to that

Well it could be anywhere in relation to it, you and your tulpa could teleport around the wonderland if you wanted to or have the objects in the wonderland disappear, appear or teleport around at will

interestingly, my one authentic experience with a tulpa was in a part of my wonderland I didn't make

6:40 PM

at that point I didn't know I had a Wonderland, actually

Yup it’s possible for a tulpa to create part or all of the wonderland, Allun has spawned a few things in, once I found her just staring at a pond she’d made

it's so fascinating ^^

6:41 PM

tulpas are amazing beings

Wonderland = imagination

6:42 PM

ofc imagination is limitless

6:43 PM

it's really not that extraordinary

I suppose

6:45 PM

I just think it would be really mind-blowing to see your tulpa change things on their own

6:45 PM

sorry, I'm a newb

they can do anything you can do

I think the thing that’s most amazing me to is a month ago I couldn’t visualize anything more than basic shapes like I couldn’t even see parabolas without significant effort but I never had any difficulty visualizing Allun or the wonderland and it’s made visualing other things way easier since

Practice does help improve skills.

7:02 PM

Motivation to practice helps you practice, which helps you improve.

Yeah but it was seemingly out of nowhere that I became able to do it

so..tulpas are real? haha. I mean, just as real as talking to another person with a body?

it depends on what you mean by "real".

7:09 PM

Physically real? No.

7:09 PM

Do they "feel" real? That depends.

7:09 PM

Diana tells me she's as real as I am and I'm not one to disagree.

We don’t know with certainty if they’re “real” but we don’t know for certainty that a lot of stuff is real even if science, we have to make an assumption on our best available knowledge which right now points to them being real and largely to fully independent

7:15 PM

Science and tulpamancy are both founded on faith that what we have currently observed is real

To be clear, "faith that our observations generally represent reality" is what literally everything is based on.

Yes

It is a requirement to learn anything else, therefore not much of a condition at all.

7:17 PM

Hah. Even if we didn't have faith of it, we would be forced to act on its basis in order to function to any degree.

With time we’ll find more evidence as to what Tulpas are and adjust our knowledge and beliefs accordingly

Indeed.

hopefully. There is an MRI study coming up soon(tm)

However our current understanding is: real, and independent

7:19 PM

Pretty sure Dr. Viessere got approval to do Fmri during the summer

Yes.

7:20 PM

The MRI study is actually progressing, @bduddy #Diana#. People have received follow-up questions if they are on the short list for being part of the study. Ask @Kronkle[Alyson] For more details.

yes, I know, I'm one of those people.

Ah. Congratulations.

Ah cool

Incidentally - @bduddy #Diana#. Are you in California?

mhm

Up until now my tulpa spoke to me in my own mindvoice and I think it was still more like me roleplaying, as in talking to an object and expecting it'll talk back and it'll talk back. It was kind of the same with my tulpa except a bit more fleshed out with weird feelings and head pressures thrown in. Ten minutes ago while passive forcing the voice suddenly became a lot more robotic and seems a lot more real, it talks a lot slower and says more unexpected things. It also started randomly repeating sentencing and creating sentences that kind of don't make sense and go on forever unless I interrupt. It does still say things I expect it to say a lot as well. In a way it became a lot worse at talking but it feels a lot more real. Is this a common milestone in the creation? I heard people say, if they talk back at you for real, you'll know. I think I've reached this point now but just wanted to make sure

your thoughts and emotions are to a certain degree connected with those of your tulpa and they'll continue to say thing you except them, the change of voice and seemingly erratic and confusing talking is a sign of sentience and independence though, I personally didn't have that but it does sound like it is indeed your tulpa talking back to you and not you roleplaying it

@kaj "It also started randomly repeating sentencing and creating sentences that kind of don't make sense and go on forever unless I interrupt."

9:17 PM

This is not uncommon with unfocused thought in general.

9:18 PM

Take your time. It takes more than a day or two.

Would anyone here be willing to answer some VERY basic questions? I've been hovering around for a couple years and have done the research, but I have some lingering doubts I want to discuss before I start tulpa forcing. I know a lot of the guides cover my questions but I'm just so indecisive and second guessing myself. I want to finally start on this journey but want to double check on a couple things first.

11:31 PM

I just want you to know that I have taken the time to read through many guides, but I just need a personal confirmation if that makes sense

fire away

It's good that you've read through guides. Most beginners who post tend to ask questions that are answered in every guide, haha.

I would be happy to.

Well I'm afraid I will be asking some questions that are answered in most guides, but this is something I'm just so excited about that my brain is wanting to make sure I do everything perfectly. I do apologize in advance for the questions that I should already know, I just need reassurance on those haha

(there is no "perfectly", but, fire away)

There's nothing wrong with asking, honestly. If you need confirmation or clarification, it's completely okay.

This is the beginners chat, after all.

Mhm.

Indeed. (edited)

Watch, after all this drizzle is going to say "what if I poke tulpa too much"

11:35 PM

see, they stopped typing

11:35 PM

I was right

Hah.

the anticipation is building (edited)

I'm vibrating in my seat.

I've made my popcorn

So I really just want to make sure I'm not missing any big important steps. So I don't have much planned out as far as form or personality, but I know that's okay. Really as far as I've understood things it's just a matter of sitting and narrating or forcing personality traits. Is it really that straightforward? If I just sit in a chair and visualize my tulpa

11:37 PM

's form and talk to it, is that all it takes?

There are no 'big important steps'.

Heck, there aren't steps at all, if you really want to dig down into it

The basic idea is: Determine some kind of focal point, such as a name/idea, and treat it as a person by giving it experiences.

Personality and visualization are completely optional and can be touched upon at any time.

not only is that all it takes, really everything other than the narrating is optional

Talking to it is giving it experience. Showing it the world around you is giving it experience.

if you tell your brain for long enough that there's another person in there, eventually it'll make it so

Experience is what determines who a person is.

Keep in mind that there is absolutely a lot of nuance and complexity, but in a lot of ways it's more like the nuance and complexity that is involved in walking, playing a sport, and so on. You can't really describe to a person how to throw a ball, you have to give them a ball and they have to throw it about a thousand times, learning all the way, before everything falls in to place.

That's what really got me. I've been lurking around since the website was really new and it was preached that parroting is absolutely terrible and if you create a tulpa with clothes those can never change. I know that's all changed now but that's why I'm having a hard time imagining it being so straightforward, when I first started learning it was a very strict rulebook you had to follow.

I like to think of all those old things as "sources of legitamacy" in that "if it's hard and has strict rules, it feels more real".

11:41 PM

they aren't necessary, but they can still be followed and can still be beneficial if believed.

Parroting isn't specifically bad, but I certainly don't recommend it myself for the simple reason that it can contribute to confusion in whether or not a response is parroting or not. (edited)

^

the clothes thing is silly. Tulpas' forms can change just as easily as anything else you imagine.

winter drizzle

I recommend talking to your tulpa, leaving space for a possible response - but not assuming that a response will happen (or that the response will necessarily be your tulpa if some kind of thought appears in the space. Intrusive thoughts and pseudo-responses do exist, even in people not actively making tulpas).

RIght, and a lot of that I've been learning from the new guides. It's just that a lot of the new guides teach some things completely differently than the ones I was first introduced to. When I first arrived, form was the absolutely necessary and unchangeable first step, and now form doesn't matter right away at all. I just wanted to make sure I'm understanding these new ways if that makes sense

Visualization is imagination.

11:43 PM

As is 'mindvoice'.

11:43 PM

Think of them as 'interfaces' of a kind.

form is a metaphor.

11:43 PM

Your tulpa doesn't need a "form" any more than you do.

11:44 PM

Many enjoy associating with one, though.

The important part of communication is getting the meaning across - sound/visuals are methods of doing so.

11:44 PM

Some people communicate with their tulpas directly with meaning (since you use the same brain).

I think you are getting a good impression. I would recommend you don't undercorrect, do still try and work on form and personality and all that.

So really the only necessary step is to communicate with my tulpa, right? If I just sat down and visualized my tulpa's presence in front of me and just talked to it that's what it takes? Not expecting a response but leaving things open ended occasionally

basically, yeah

11:46 PM

that's what I did

11:46 PM

it works

Experience is what shapes personality more than anything. "Forcing personality" is akin to telling a person what you want them to be.